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The most important thing
influencing learning
is what the learner already knows

David Ausubel

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Seems accurate:
a good teacher uses this "knowledge" to stimulate, support inquiry.

By the time we get them in kindergarten, they’re already formed.
We can only work with what we get.
If they are used to rote learning,
turning them on to discussion style is a challenge.

When the learner is already familiar with the information,
his preconceptions interfere with the process
of taking in more information and material

Influence is a neutral term,
and can be either positive or negative.
Often what a student thinks s/he knows,
influences her/him by abstracting inquiry,
as the one who is confident s/he learns something
is not well prepared to ask radical questions.

If you don’t believe this, you don’t believe in epiphany:
that moment when disparate bits click together to illuminate a new understanding.

In my teaching I build on concepts
students are supposed to already know from previous classes,
yet my classes are foundation for more classes and skills

True, in my experience.
What one "knows" implies awareness of what one doesn’t know,
and that establishes a "learning need" in the mind of the learner.

This can be a negative.
What the learner knows and how he/she learned
may place road blocks on the path of future learning

The most important thing influencing learning
is what the learner THINKS s/he already knows

An essential, important starting point,
but overall I think more important is the articulation
and on-going development of vision of what the learner is capable of knowing

Many a teacher has forgotten this.
Prior knowledge attitude and skills should be
the basis for instructional decisions.

I’ve experienced this principle first hand in recent weeks,
once again studying NT administration.
It’s been good to see how frustrating it is
to try to master concepts I am lacking "hooks" for,
from the student perspective once again!

I first try to find out what they know or think they know
and figure out how to adjust an already-prepared syllabus
to fit what needs to be done to move on.

Learners need a starting point—
all start in a different place—
how do we identify where each one is?

Maybe, but not most? Several factors influence learning!
If true—how is the first step taken?

Partially—what the learner wants to learn is another part.
Starting point/continuity point.

Two words come to mind:
foundation and balance
the foundation provides a base to build on,
balance is needed to keep our reaching from toppling over.

It affects three ways:
1) learner doesn’t know enough background
2) learner knows "opposite" of what is
3) leaner knows he/she doesn’t want to learn "this"

Discussion assumes some prior knowledge.
Level playing field interprets new ideas to retain.

Assessing where the student/learners are
& how to move from there.

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Why College Teachers Don’t Teach, Nor Should They 1986/87
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Renee Jesness

Because this is the point from which (s)he begins to learn (with my input)—
new information, skills, attitudes, beliefs.
Let them progress.

What students know of their success or lack of success
in learning mathematics is a huge influence
on how they can learn mathematics now.

What each learner already knows is different.
The need (is) to identify a common base of understanding.

It’s an old communications principle – audience analysis:
start where audience is and go from there.

Confirmation:
The new knowledge makes sense based upon what I already knew. 
The new knowledge makes sense–
it contradicts what they told me was fact—
I always suspected it was wrong.

Teaching:
turning journalism class from chronological order—
present to broadcast—
to capability order for students—broadcast to print.

Unlearning or refocusing learning in a different way is most difficult.
Dislodging some of the cognitive structures...

Preconceptions and attitudes,
particularly negative,
are difficult to overcome

Not "what" they know,
but how they went about learning it

Learning is quicker when started from what is already known.

Yes, true.
Starting from what they know or relating to what they know
is beneficial because teaching must be integrated
in the learner’s life in order to be effective.

The learner’s growth can only come from
what the learner brings to the learning environment.

It is the way you learn—
You can’t learn a new thing without having another to hang it on.
I learn that through simile:  this is like such and such…"

(I) agree with the word "influence",
but I disagree with the concept.

I readily experienced the impact of my student’s prior learning
in teaching Weekend College. Those already working in the MIS
did the worst due to what they already knew and had done—
they weren’t as open to new or differing concepts.

Most important thing(s) (also)…teacher already knows

Too true: the attitude that
"I already know everything I need to know"
is relevant in my classes

Confidence in subject matter:
Students like what they think they are good at.

In teaching criminology,
that has meant meeting the students where they are & addressing:
media issues, research methodology, racism,
more than I ever expected.

Learning is based on an individual's interest in the material

Motivation to learn/rate of learning/ability to learn more
What the learner knows about self

I agree with the statement.
It is one often ignored and requires challenge using it.

Initial grasp of teaching is my teaching what we (I) know (knew).
Emulating former teachers.
After that—we find out what the students need or want—

Listening to music:   
students know how to listen—have been for years
Introduce a new concept of "additional" music
to add to their vocabulary

Gives a frame of reference to identify with—
expands knowledge by relating to

Why teach something to someone that he/she already knows?
People need to understand how new knowledge fits
with what they already know

Identifying (without threatening)
– "folk" or "naïve" models knowledge…

1) we teach the way we learned;
2) What we know (my interests) determine
what I learn versus what I consider not worth learning

1)  get in groups where people have a clue with is going on;
2) clearly prerequisites give you information /skills that you need

True! In FL teaching—reading French,
it is important to activate the existing familiarity
a student might have to text type, subject , etc.
to help them understand the reading

Focusing discussion on the experiences of students

Math is strange, much like a language,
lower levels require competence for moving on

This is a true statement.
Students’ perceptions and beliefs about the French and French culture
often inhibit their willingness and color their attitudes
about learning the French language

We believe it!
We’re doing prior learning assessment using portfolios.

Confidence in ability to learn;
willingness to link with past knowledge; curiosity

Use learner’s experiences in sharing with groups;
relevancy of examples

It means for us having to provide information in a way
in which learners of all levels (basic and complex)
are able to gain value from the experience.

1) a good hermeneutic principle… but in teaching,
I think I try to go beyond that… it’s how the learner learns.

Usually accelerated.   
However also a drawback pursuing new areas.
In that others have the edge of prior learning and experience.

Seems to be true—we interpret what we observe
based on our own background. Question is what does it mean to know
because in many cases, it seems more a matter of what we think we know.

I always try as a learner
1) to relate what I am learning to what I already know
2) to see a connection between what I am to learn and why I need to learn it.

What the learner knows is important;
that it is the most important factor in learning is debatable.
Motivation, discipline and other factors are also crucial.

I think the most important is to instill
the quest for more information and knowledge.

Frustration with a shrinking "shared database"
from which to grow and learn together;
"You remember where/how" have crept into almost every
"paragraph" of my interactions with students.

1)  How to build on capabilities?
2) What could be unlearned?
3) How to help people (adults) name what they already know!

Piaget:
assimilation and accommodation add something new
to a structure that already exists.
Reorganization and new information incorporated into scheme
so activities like a ... help students integrate new knowledge

A lot of teaching is un-teaching or re-teaching
not just content but IP skills and techniques

Frequently true.  Preconceived notions and factual information
from elsewhere play a role in the classroom.
It is a challenge to make them "unlearn".

I think that the statement is correct.
What I can do depends on what others have already done.

You can only teach to the level of prior education.
Lack of abilities to think critically, read for meaning, etc. affect ability to learn.

True in relation to both content and process
(content knowledge and processes of learning)

I have succeeded as a student part
because I early on became a voracious reader

Build on what experiences the student/learner has
and show how what you’ve got to teach and relate
is important to learn and remember

Has generally been helpful
Foundation of nearly everything.
Taught as fundamental principle by USAF

The mislearning of my students
or their having learned paradigms suited to children’s mentality
has inhibited my helping them to understand in a new way.

Base of knowledge for classroom discussion.
Questions and answers and analysis

1)subject is cumulative
2) what learner "knows" about learning
3) most important may be too strong

Upper right quadrant (diagram) Leaning Styles
What I already know means I am constantly interacting as a teacher.

I believe that this concept affects the teacher.
The teacher often becomes the learner.
It also puts the teacher on the spot.

Connection – coupling – tie-in – adaptation:
The most important thing influencing learning
is what the learner already knows.

pre-assessment-
what do they know about technology–specific skills?

I agree: at every stage of learning, the learner must build on who (s)he is.
The skills and developmental states are crucial at first,
and then actual knowledge later.

Trying to use analogies/examples of how/what I’m teaching
is like some common experience—looking for information
Like shopping in grocery store;
do surveys to place to some degree where people are

experience as a reference to grow

True, because the teacher needs to know something about me
to be an effective teacher.

The learner needs to be able to associate new information
with information they already know.

I have to gear my course and lecture
to what my students already know

Definitely true in math—I can’t just teach my subject. I need to start from the point my students have previously reached and build from there.

 

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